05-Jan-2011 UKIP Leader Nigel FARAGE Denounces Referendum as a concept

05-Jan-2011 UKIP Leader Nigel FARAGE Denounces Referendum as a concept

UKIP: The Letter that Nigel Farage didn't want you to see

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It is interesting to note that the UKIP party website includes a call to support a campaign for a referendum on EU membership. Farage has also been quick to jump on the bandwagon, especially if he can use the issue to get his face into the press.

But the truth of UKIP's position is slightly different. In private, Farage's office is less than optimistic about the chances of success as a result of any referendum, as this letter, which has been widely distributed to the press, proves.

"Petitions, I may say, are useful for publicising issues and recruiting activists; but, where such a a fundamental policy as rejecting the EU is concerned, there is no prospect whatever of a pro-EU government's accceding to a petition." So there we have it - UKIP does not really believe in its own policies, apparently.

"No prospect whatever" of a referendum achieving anything, according to the office of Nigel Farage MEP. This is another example of the supreme hypocrisy of the UKIP leadership, and one which may prove to be the Fuhrer's downfall.

Could this be why Dan Hannan is seemingly acting as The Judas Goat to Douglas Carswell's Rose Goat? Do they share Farage's view that holding Referenda on The EU is great for publicising oneself and attracting active supporters - one can only assume the three of them wish they had been trusted to participate in The Express campaign which has already attracted 373,000 who say NO to EU Membership, activists and has clearly publicised the issue.

I expect they are a little miffed that despite the attempt they were unable to take over and emasculate The EU Referendum Campaign fronted by Jon Gaunt, James Pryor and Bridget Rowe, nor The Tory Better Off Out Group - was their collective aim to act as The Judas Goat and lead the Campaign to the slaughter for paymasters who fund them well within The EU?

Might it be that they have watched Nikki Sinclaire move forward with her Petition for an In/Out EU Referendum - not only raising the profile of the issue but clearly leaving them floundering as she obtains cross party support and respect as one of the two remaining UKIP MEPs with integrity seeking to Leave-The-EU with some clarity and a refusal to collude with the racist, anti Jewish and violent sexually intollerant claque Nigel Farage befouls British Politics by leading The Pan EU EFD Political Group

(The wisdom of allowing such a poorly written letter to go out over Steve Reed's signature on Farage's behalf  to a constituent must also surely be called into question. May we commend the constituent for their promptly

AN INTERESTING ADDITION WAS SENT TO ME:

Extract from UKIP newsletter 'Independence', published August 2005.

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Let the People Decide
Nigel Farage MEP


There is a growing appetite from the public for a referendum on whether we stay in the EU or opt for a Free Trade deal.

This campaign is all about numbers and all of us can do our bit to help. I know that many branches of UKIP cannot wait to be back on the streets with petition stalls.

If every one of you takes a petition form to your office, club or pub we will be on the road towards millions of signatures. At this level I believe the national press will unable to stop themselves joining in the debate about this country being able to decide its own fate.

This may be a long campaign but, if there are enough of us, the politicians will HAVE to listen.

ends

Clearly Nigel Farage is more than a little confused changing his mind on a regular basis or is it just on the grounds of what he can make out of it?


Wasn't it the 2005 petition Nigel Farage, Mark Croucher and David Lott obtained £250,000 pounds of tax payers' money for and then raised a great deal more from yet never produced a single legitimate petition, never accounted a single penny nor the huge profits from Ashford set up on its back (described by Farage as THE most profitable thing UKIP had ever done) yet less than 15% of the money EVER reached UKIP as confirmed by The Chairman David Bannerman.


Is it really coincidence that Nigel Farage deposited £250,000 in his off shore account, Mark Croucher opened 2 pubs (which due to his utter incompetence went belly up) and David Lott relocated via Romsey to France where he would pay less taxes and £1/4Million was paid out by Ashford and deposited into a private bank account.


Indeed Farage does seem ambivalent on the matter of Referenda and Petitions and sadly it does look as if that is based upon corruption rather than political wisdom or leadership - skills he has been proven time and again to lack.supplying the letter so that it could be made public!)

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*The PETITION + EURC in NEW EUROPE, JUNIUS & UKIP-vs-EUkip

*The PETITION + EURC in NEW EUROPE, JUNIUS & UKIP-vs-EUkip

UKIP's SPOILER IS THE THIRD BUS 
- SET TO YET AGAIN PICK UP FEW PASSENGERS!
UKIP's LAST TWO SEEM TO HAVE BEEN SCAMS!

Hi,
two complimentary Buses with different and complimentary routes to the same destination and a rag tag of fly by night taxis trying to pick up funding and a few bewildered passengers put out by The UKIP Garage.
Should that be UKIP's Farage as the last two petitions he has been party to were nothing more than blatant scams.
They were NEVER delivered and the £1/4 Million of tax payers money that went into one was never accounted, and seems to have vanished into the pockets of those responsible, as did possibly £1+ million or more from the Ashford scam, seemingly founded on the addresses garnered from the petition, and a breech of the ethics of Data Protection!
It is worrying that even after the huge amount of money that went missing unaccounted from Ashford where even David Bannerman as Farage's puppet chairman admitted there had been no control and less than 15% of the money collected for UKIP ever reached the party, whether that included the money laundered through Graham Booth's hotel accounts he did not specify!!
To see the same team - Farage, Bannerman and Croucher (with Lott once more, presumably again using the data base - mailing out letters to promote Farage's financial interests) all merrily launching a new fleet of 'dodgey taxis' but even more purturbingly doing it in a childish and petulent assault on The Peoples' Petition because it is run by Nikki Sinclaire MEP, aided now by Mike Nattrass MEP and The EU Referendum Campaign because James Pryor and Bridget Rowe set it up and Dan Hannan MEP and Paul Nuttall MEP have joined it!!
You will even note that Farage has his team all working closely together for his re-election, and clearly states NOTHING about a petition but openly advocates a call center. Be minded when he pronounced that Ashford was the most successful thing UKIP has ever done yet, to the press, for whom one must ask, as 85% of the money raised AT LEAST would seem to have vanished! We note he clearly states his intention to set up another 'Call Center'!
You may care to note that since the article below was written it has been agreed that http://TheMidnightGroup.Blogspot.com form a point of referrence for GENUINE petitions and although JUNIUS somewhat harshy claims Farage was refused participation - strictly that is not true just as he was not refiused co-operation with Libertas and Declan Ganley it seems there he was refused access to the funds and with The EURC hethey were not willing to put him in charge!
So like a spoilt child he registered Libertas at Companies House to try to blackmail declan Ganley - he failed (as of course did Ganley but little wonder!).
It looks like de Ja Vu all over again! Farage is acting like a spoilt child and using UKIP to try to run a spoiler annoyed that those who have moved onno longer enthralled watching him feather his own nest at the expense of Britain and UKIP.
What must particularly annoy is that The Peoples' Petition is already up to about 20,000 (exact No. not counted as they have only counted full sheets of 10 signatures those with 9 0r less have not been counted and are slowly being filled by incoming phone calls - the estimated 20,000 I am assured is a fair judgement) - either way that outstrips Farage's previous petitions!
The aim is to get the first 100,000 and deliver them to Drowning Street and the certificate of delivery with the petition to The Speaker's Chair as demanded by our democracy. It is expected that the donations already in on top of Ms. Sinclaire's substantial personal contribution will now put The Peoples' Petition in a self liquidating position to advertise to back and promote the achievement with the second and subsequent 100,000s progressively easier to obtain as the public catch on.
Meanwhile the efforts of The EURC ploughs its own complimentary furrow working with The Peoples' Petition but aimed at solid promotion of the need for a referendum on In or OUT of The EU with politicians, Councils, Commerce and big businesses - already Labour EUro Safeguards Campaign is on board as are The Boo Group and representatives of major Trades Unions.
Please enlarge this form to the appropriate size and print off a few to get filled in by family and friends - neighbours and work mates - maybe even strangers!!

For details of how YOU can help and participate CLICK HERE

The Third Bus

Author: Andy Carling 12 September 2010 - Issue : 902

The Brits, with their characteristic downbeat outlook have a saying, “you wait forever for a bus and then three arrive at the same time”. A situation that anyone who has been hanging around Place Luxembourg can relate to. 

And so, it applies to referendum petitions. The British eurosceptics, peeved at being denied a referendum on Lisbon have been racing to organize campaigns, asking the Brits to sign petitions asking for a referendum on EU

So far, three have turned up. It’s uncertain how many more are due.
First out the starting gate was Nikki Sinclaire MEP, who left the EFD Group because of what she saw as anti-semitism and homophobia amongst its members. Her campaign, which she dubs ‘the people’s petition’ is trying to raise 100,000 signatures. She argues that the UK is neither in, nor outside the EU and a referendum on membership will provide a firm position for the country’s future relationship with Europe, either inside or outside the union.
She is touring the UK garnering signatures. She claims to have had 10,000 in the first week of campaigning.
UKIP responded to this by launching a referendum petition of their own their third in recent years. One that closed in 2008 had 10,782, another one, launched in November 2009, seems to have disappeared. It remains to be seen how the latest will do, but there doesn’t seem to be much promotion behind it and it is said that some UKIP people are a little embarrassed about launching a second petition.

Enter Dan Hannan. He has launched a third petition. This is the slickest of them all, and possibly crucially, has support from the left and right. The move, which announces itself as a “ballsy, cutting edge campaign” is getting the most press and is a much more professional effort, even though it was the last one off the ground. They say that, “It’s a sad fact that Britain is sleepwalking into the European Super-State and Britain must wake up to the nightmares hiding under the sheets of Brussels. EU laws and directives made without our knowledge or consent, behind locked doors of the most complicated clauses and sub-clauses imaginable.”

Sadly, there is no joint campaign against cliches and tired metaphors. To view the full article CLICK HERE as it seems there is also no joint campaign for tired associations to fill column inches!

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